Gary is a Counseling Psychologist in the state of Michigan, and has been practicing for over thirty-five years. He is also a retired pastor, formerly overseeing Adult Small Group Ministries and Men’s Ministries at Magnify Church in Rockford, Michigan where he served for twenty-two years. He enjoys woodworking, hunting, backpacking, fly-fishing, oil painting and reading.

Lisa is a Licensed Professional Counselor in the state of Michigan where she has had a private practice for over thirty-five years. She is also retired from Women’s Ministries at Magnify Church in Rockford, MI where she served as the Women’s Discipleship Coordinator. She enjoys gardening, interior decorating, reading, watercolor painting, kayaking and hiking.